I think it’s possible that Vivec gave the Numidium knowing that it would be reactivated and that it would cause Landfall; that the suffering and extinction of many on Nirn was seen by Vivec as a prerequisite for bringing about the Amaranth. This would also imply that Vivec was effectively “grooming” Jubal for the purpose, and has some rather interesting implications for hir relationship with Nerevar. Much of what Vivec has done and said makes determining the full truth entirely impossible, and possibly not desirable either, so this is not the final word. They can be anything, and do anything, within the cosmos of The Elder Scrolls. However, there is also the manipulation of the Heart of Lorkhan that gave Vivec hir godhood. We get there by way of numbers. As a poet, however, ze is also one of the biggest liars in TES. Feel free to provide more information. Part of the Dune story later concerns the return of some of those scattered humans to those that stayed behind, a “return from astral destiny”. I think it’s definitely something that Vivec had in mind for the Chimer and Dunmer. Reflective of that duality, Vivec states in hir Trial that: “Vehk the mortal did murder the Hortator. This is something that several Western Hermetic traditions pick up on, as well as a key tenet in Existentialist philosophy – while we are not placed into the world without a context, to act as we see fit and without the influences of those contexts is often placed on a higher plane. There is a reference to “the heart bone” in Sermon 11, which is a clear reference to Lorkhan’s heart, in my view. The first of these is tricky as it means that there was literal reincarnation of souls going on, which I’m not sure is strictly a thing in The Elder Scrolls; where things are “brought back”, it’s typically through the process of mantling, rather than reincarnation. A Dwemer said, ‘Nothing is of any use. I don’t imagine House Indoril would promote a mere mercenary quite that high. Michael Kirkbride is a former writer and designer for Bethesda Softworks. quote from MK on the matter, originally posted in a forum in 2005. Vivec and the Ordinators have been killing all the Nerevarines to make sure that the Nerevarine eventually knows that Vivec must be removed. To quote: The arbitrary and the motivated in regarding one’s divine ancestors: ignoring a manifest concern for belief in them as us, instead we concern ourselves with intensity and its relationship with action, valorizing ‘little narratives’ and proliferation of narratives in our native cultures to the point that there is no perch from extraneous content. The latter is built from the cobbles of drawn-bone destiny. I think. In addition to being a humble beginning, this is important because, as the Selectives Lorecast has pointed out, the creation of this egg is deliberate, and happens without the normal processes. It was a trick to get Azura as witness there so he can banish her. Vivec’s whole attitude towards Nerevar is interesting. Kirkbride wrote for both Morrowind and Oblivion, as well as for the Action-Adventure spin-off Redguard. MUATRA may also represent part of Vivec’s power as a poet; that is, seduction. It’s just crazy on a first read through. Vivec was borne by ribbons of water, which wrote their starward couplings in … However, what we know of Nerevar’s history, as a war leader in House Indoril, makes that unlikely. Vivec craves that, and thereby potentially craves Amaranth. 2) I should write a Markov chain generator to write new lessons of Vivec. Vivec found him in a grub field outside of the swamps of lessnos Deshaan Plain. Vivec needs to be Vivec and do what Vivec does, rather than what others can do, which is possible for those with radical freedom. I’ve heard it said that the Children are elements of Vivec’s own personality that ze was shedding in the process of becoming a deity. Strictly speaking, this implies that the Nerevarine that is the player character in The Elder Scrolls III is the same as Peakstar, Conoon Chodala and the rest, having “learned their lesson”. So it’s likely that it’s a manual in some ways, but it’s a little difficult to tease out. To me, this feels very like the Tribunal and Morrowind. I want to say, as usual, that this is my own understanding of who Vivec is, and definitely not the whole truth of the matter. Truth is like my husband: instructed to smash, filled with procedure and noise, hammering, weighty, heaviness made schematic, lessons learned only … Together, that makes 16, or the total number of Daedric Princes, not counting the weirdness of Jyggalag. The story is derived from Ashlander oral tradition, and is flatly contradicted by all Temple traditions. Despite no longer working for Bethesda, he still writes various unlicensed texts that can be found on The Imperial Library. Even if you aren't a Dunmer, the obscure esotericism of my Lord's sermons makes them something of a cultural phenomenon. However, it is an honest vindication for truth and superhuman ideals, which means it should be regarded as such by our own sense of fault: we made this, we dreamed this, we made it viable by voting with our seductions, we will live again to show our genuine applause. This is creation and birth without desire, which separates the birth from mortal concerns. If you’re interested in that universe, be sure to check it out. - The 36 Lessons of Vivec "The light is mine; its rays consume Me: I have made a secret door Into the House of Ra and Tum, Of Khephra and of Ahathoor." MUATRA is Vivec’s “spear”, and also a representation of hir sexual organs. Ze was the Warrior-Poet of the Tribunal, and along with the rest of them tapped the Heart of Lorkhan to become gods, in a point called the Red Moment by the fans and in a few texts. Having established that Vivec has been killing the Nerevar over and over until they become what they need to be, I think it’s probably time we talked about Vivec and Nerevar a bit more explicitly. In that, Emperor Leto II had planned a “Golden Path” for humanity, which resulted in a millennia-long theocratic rule across the galaxy, that stagnated and centralised galactic culture to the point where it was shattered on his death, and the remnants of a rejuvenated humanity were scattered among the stars. If the Heart can be considered a bone, then folding it and drinking its milk could be an oblique reference to the use of Kagrenac’s Tools on the Heart. god? However, I don’t have much truck with that, as they don’t seem to act much like Daedra, and Sermon 18 lists Vivec as one of hir own children. Those different authors had different voices, resulting in quite a large tone difference in how Vivec is developed. Which is entirely appropriate, given that Vivec is all about duality and, to a lesser degree, uncertainty. I was playing Morrowind just now, and as I was reading one of the 36 Lessons of Vivec, two thoughts came to me in rapid succession: These things sound like a Markov chain generator wrote them; I should write a Markov chain generator to write new lessons of Vivec; So I did. It also makes it more of a blank slate, and therefore able to self-create and be without the context of having parents. There are several “lessons of ruling kings” scattered throughout the books, but as usual, I’m not 100% convinced that these are necessarily to do with CHIM. That portrayal of the two beings in constant unity is what Vivec represents in one being. The Selectives’ Vivec podcast has a good number of perspectives on how Vivec is likely to have got Nerevar’s attention. Take a second to support Aramithius on Patreon! Vivec’s spoken dialogue in The Elder Scrolls III was written by one developer (I think Ken Rolston? The PR dept. However, we have multiple accounts of hir regret at the act of killing Nerevar, and ze also says ze regrets breaking hir oath, as well. Most people associate it with Vivec’s penis, but it’s not just that. Every race, every gender, every hero, both divine and finite… but in the end, he can only be Vivec. Vivec wanting to do and be everything speaks to a very similar way of expressing this, particularly when we think about the Amaranth, that is becoming the seed of a new universe. MK has hinted that Vivec was also Hlaalu Hir in C0DA (“hir” being a huge clue), who tries to kill Jubal in C0DA’s narrative. But Vivec can only be Vivec – not a new universe, not one that moves beyond it. The New Whirling School is a guide to interpreting the rich, deep and challenging series of books, The 36 Lessons of Vivec. We and our partners operate globally and use cookies, including for analytics. That text presents a series of ‘could-have-beens’ for Vivec, which relate Vivec’s pasts as possibly becoming a troubadour and dying of a fever. This is because Bal actually says “CHIM” in the text, one of only two times it’s in the Lessons. Then Vivec threw his ink on this passage to cover it up (for the lay reader) and wrote instead: Find me in the blackened paper, unarmored, in final scenery. I will be referencing some of C0DA, so prior warning if you’re bothered about precise canon. Vivec already has a “spear”, it’s just not named. There are quite a few references in there that hint at the Lessons being a warning and instruction manual for what Vivec is doing with the Nerevarine. Sermon 37 is why I say only the first 36 of the 36 Lessons portray Vivec as being birthed from an egg. In virtually all of these (well, all of them if you ignore the 36 Lessons ), the one who kills Dumac is the culture representing the narrative’s perspective. And he had written the 36 lessons of vivec. 36 Lessons of Vivec Vol 4. The New Whirling School has also pointed out that Sermon 18 is where Vivec realises hir fundamental limits and nature, as well as actively discouraging others to follow in hir footsteps. It’s also possible that, if Jubal is a Nerevarine, that Vivec is still desperately trying to make up for hir killing of Nerevar, even several eras later. This presents the Tribunal as a whole as a thing that is self-created, and Vivec in particular is something that is possibly the culmination of the Tribunal, being both the youngest Tribune and the one able to balance both Mystery and Mercy. Exactly what they are and what they represent is uncertain, with some thinking that they wind up as Daedric demiprinces. Majority of his 36 Lessons are … And on a similar note, he probably runs ff.net too. It’s either that power that allowed the manipulation of time, or that of CHIM. Ze may have been a git, but I can’t escape the thought that ze was a git with a plan, that we can only really see the half of. There seems to be no account where Vivec has a conventional gender to begin with, whatever way its spun, which in a way incapsulates Vivec’s attitude, I feel. Todd couldn't get in touch with Kirkbride and went to his apartment and found him in his underwear completely wrecked although he wouldn't have been able to write anything on hallucinogens, it was probably just coke, weed, and liquor galore. Ze is one of the most enigmatic characters in TES, and several people before me have put some fantastic thought pieces on hir nature, goals and intentions. The Anticipations and the House of Troubles represent 7 Daedra. - The 36 Lessons of Vivec I think that both of these are likely true, given that Vivec in both ESO and Morrowind seems to be heavy with regret. Why would a noble and a general be serving in a caravan? It’s certainly not their only purpose, I think. And yes, this is almost the bit where we get to talk about all that spear-biting. I state that I have a good faith belief that use of the work(s) in the manner complained of is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law. Which is it? It seems to value Sithis as a thing that shapes the universe, that brings great benefits and is praiseworthy, but not necessarily something to be worshipped. Seducing with words is something that poets do, and something that can be done to anyone, hence MUATRA being both male and female in its application. There’s the dual aspect of warrior and poet, male and female, which for me is key to hir whole character. I’ve seen several people claim that Vivec was potentially traumatised as a child, which is why ze ran away to Mournhold and has no father in the 36 Lessons. The Fire of Vivec. There are some hints that something like more traditional reincarnation is possible, but rather than go down that rabbit hole I’ll leave you with this quote from MK on the matter, originally posted in a forum in 2005, speaking as Nu-Hatta: Mantling and incarnation are separate roads; do not mistake this. He is to learn from my punishment. In the 36 Lessons’ telling, Nerevar is a mercenary captain, who then decides to follow Vivec. The “lessons of ruling kings” given don’t seem to necessarily marry up with Vivec’s own actions, for starters. Sermon 37 seems to take something of a more conventional view, some of the time. Considering the other content of the 36 books, I wouldn't exactly consider it a reliable source. The second point, of murdering the ruling king again and again, is a reference to the failed Incarnates, in my view. Vivec is a crack RPF writer. Vivec himself started his trial regarding the crime of the murder on Nerevar. However, the common consensus seems to be that it happened later, during an event called the Pomegranate Banquet in Sermon 14. Jerk? I may be reading far too much into this, but I think that Vivec intentionally left Lie Rock to fall and destroy Vivec City, in order to make hir people ready for a future without the Tribunal. I’ve also seen MUATRA the spear presented as a dancing pole, against which female sexuality is displayed. The name that it’s given should be an indication, too; MUATRA is called Milk-Taker, and if anything, a penis would be a milk giver. The Loremaster's Archive is ESO's biweekly article on a TES lore subject. I was playing Morrowind just now, and as I was reading one of the 36 Lessons of Vivec, two thoughts came to me in rapid succession: 1) These things sound like a Markov chain generator wrote them. This is especially prominent if C0DA is taken into account, as Vivec at the very least manipulated Jubal into helping hir, and also possibly set Numidium’s return in motion through offering the golem to Tiber Septim. Vivec's Fire is mentioned more than a few times in the 36 Lessons. There she stayed for seven or eight months. It’s also down to hir nature as a poet, who, to quote a phrase, use lies to tell the truth. The network host, Tom, has started another podcast, called Myth. I will be going over some of that here, but have already done a fuller treatment of CHIM. of Bethesda Softworks, in their ongoing effort to maintain interest, decided to release some of the ingame books, and the sermons one and two were among them. Vivec is a crack RPF writer. 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